Um... how do I put it into words...? *some spoilers*

[Kuro]

Every Final Fantasy game I've played is part love story, part adventure story. I was reading zer0's response to a thread in the FF10 forum and he mentioned something about the love stories in Final Fantasy. The words "I love you," (spoken romantically), and kissing are rarely part of Final Fantasy.

*L* Okay, so I kinda DID make Ziddy and Daggie kiss, but of course we know that they never did in the game. Once we had a topic that asked if you thought they kissed at the end (naturally I think that if it wasn't it kiss, they very likely kissed right afterwards...) and the results were almost split in the middle!

Anyway. To the point...

How do you feel about the fact that Zidane and Dagger never kissed or said "I love you" to each other? Would you have liked to have had that in the game somewhere?

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There were four points in the game where I was ready to jump in the game and shake the Zid and Dag and scream, "JUST KISS HER!" or "TELL HIM YOU LOVE HIM!!" Heehee, the Romantic Sap Queen in me is always hoping for things like that.

Hehe, and there's a reason I made that kiss image. It's something I always wanted to see!!

But is it cliche`? Maybe it is. I mean, it's very, very obvious how much Zidane and Dagger love each other by the end. In fact, it's obvious much earlier in the game, too. You know they're in love, and there are scenes where other feelings and emotions are used in place of the simple words. So it was pretty ingenious that the story was written and still had so much passion between the characters without those cliche` moments.

You can read so much into the other lines spoken, too. Dagger's "promise me one thing... please come back," to me, was just as powerful as telling him "I love you." At the end, as Zidane is playing Marcus in the play, every line spoken was probably very representative of what he wanted to say to Dagger.

"She told me she couldn't live without me. Ne'er would my love speak false... so instead, I pray to the twin moons, grant me my only wish. Bring my beloved Dagger to me!"

Oh now isn't he the biggest mushball?? http://www.plauder-smilies.com/love/mushy.gif http://www.plauder-smilies.com/love/mushy.gif http://www.plauder-smilies.com/love/mushy.gif

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So how did the fact that there was no "I love you" and no kiss in the game seem to you? Please share! :D

[Vivi_Stalker]

I direct my reply to a pretty good song I've heard a few times on the radio....

Westlife -More Than Words
Saying I love you,
Is not the words,
I want to hear from you,
It's not that I want you,
Not to say but if you only knew,
How easy,
it would be to show me how you feel,

More than words,
is all you have to do,
to make it real,
Then you wouldn't have to say,
that you love me,
Cause I'd already know,

What would you do,
if my heart was torn in two,

More than words to show you feel,
That your love for me is real,

What would you say,
if I took those words away,

Then you couldn't make things new,
Just by saying I love you,

It's more than words,
It's more than what you say,
It's the things you do,
oh yeah,
It's more than words,
It's more than what you say,
It's the things you do,
oh yeah,

Now that I've tried to,
talk to you and make you understand,
All you have to do,
is close your eyes,
And just reach out your hands,
and touch me,
Hold me close don't ever let me go,

More than words,
is all I ever needed you to show,
Then you wouldn't have to say,
that you love me,
Cause I'd already know,

What would you do,
if my heart was torn in two,

More than words to show you feel,
That your love for me is real,
What would you say,
if I took those words away,
Then you couldn't make things new,(no no)
Just by saying I love you.....


A little repetitive... @_@ But you get what it means.
If they really had to say it so plainly and obviously, they're really thick. :P It's your actions that count....They speak louder than words.

[Yami DTL]

I thought Dagger and Zidane really loved each other but they really didn't show it in a "I love you" way. Zidane only said "Wow, I think i'm falling for you" or "Maybe Vivi is gonna have us have some romantic time together"..I thought Zidane wanted to kiss Dagger and then when they got married at (Can't remember name! argh!!). Then it went to the resuce at the fall of Alexandria Castle. Of course at the ending they hugged each other and i thought "Kiss her Zidane!" but he didn't lol

[Will]

Originally posted by Vivi_Stalker
I direct my reply to a pretty good song I've heard a few times on the radio....

Westlife -More Than Words


Ahh Westlife! *turns off the radio* I hate Westlife! I hate all type of music like that cause everyone sounds the same. As I mentioned to Kuro a much better song for Zidane and Garnet is U2's Wild Honey or the song With or Without You also by U2 and Teo Torriatte (Let Us Cling Together) by Queen(see Some time later... *ending spoilers* (http://www.uff9.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1450) for the lyrics)

[Dagger aka Garnet]

Well of course Im one of those people who believe they did kiss at the end =P But anyways about them not kissing and saying "I love you" directly in the game....I dont really think they had to..Because I think they both knew that they loved each other...just by the things they did and said. The way they cared about each other and watched over each other was just as good as saying "I love you". Garnet and Zidane both showed ,rather then tell,that they loved each other ^_^. I think it was soooo sweet. *wants to start a new game on FF9 now*

[Amethyst]

Yeah through out the game I didnt really know how Dagger felt for Zidane!she was too shy to tell!!!Like when Eiko asked Dagger

Do..you...like Zidane?

I really did want to hear the Awnser!!!I always wanted to say to dagger JUST SAY YES!!!! lol...
Well the ending...yeah I wanted to see Zidane and Dagger kiss(perv!! :D )like at the ending some peeople say they Kissed or not!!unknown answer eh?
But I never seen Dagger say I love you but Zidane sure did express his feelings!!

thats my Answer...

[Bliss]

There was someone from another board who mentioned that he didn't believe that Garnet loved Zidane; she only thought of him as a friend. What was more, a whole lot of other people agreed with him. o_O His reason? They never spoke deeply together, or had any deep scenes like that. That got me really shocked. Most or all FFs have a love story concerning the main character. Okay, I know that isn't a great reason for proof that they loved each other, but still... ? I can't imagine that they didn't love each other.

The love story itself is in tune with the storyline. In my opinion, a lot of things in the game were perfect the way it is. FFIX didn't make love its focal theme, I think. The love the two shared was really true. Love, in whatever way, can be shown through actions and the thing you do. There's no need for 'deep scenes'. In fact, FFIX is one of the deepest games ever.

Anyways. Those two are only sixteen. Dags doesn't have much romantic experience, and Zidane.... although he matured a lot later on..... ........ I WOULD have liked them to kiss or say "I love you" to one another, I REALLY do. But in my opinion it would have seemed out of place somehow. They showed their love through other words. The line "Bring my beloved Dagger to me!" was the 'conclusion', I think. Bleh. I don't know what I'm talking about. Anyone agree with me? o_O :s

[Bahamutzer0]

Im glad you made this topic, Kuro, as I wanted to expand more on that thought in the FFX forum from before after I thought about it a bit. Here goes, although Ill be comparing FFX and FFIX a lot, seeing as how the represent the two different ways of doing love stories; coming out and blatently saying it, or being more subtle.

Spoilers FFVIII-X follow:


Throughout FFIX, there was a certain "romantic tension" between Zidane and Dagger that grew and grew. Through different situations, this tension became apparant, and gradually you got the feeling that they truley and deeply cared for one another. Zidane would go out of his way for dagger, she would trust him in situations she may not have trusted others, but they never actually came out and acted on it through the story. It was not rushed, and they acted in a lifelike, realistic way. Daggers character would not just go out and express her feelings, Zidane had trouble expressing his in a non-joking manor. So of course they wouldnt kiss, or tell each other how they felt, but they probably knew anyway. Looking at FFX, the writers wanted Tidus and Yuna to have a love relationship, similar to how they wanted Zidane and Garnet to have. However, they took the different approach, and instead of slowly giving the characters time to truley get to know each other, and grow to care for one another, Tidus seems to have an immediate fascination with Yuna. It seems that the characters never really get a chance to fall in love, before you know it they are Kissing and saying how much they love one another. It provides for a rushed feel, one that doesnt accomidate love to grow. The writers seemed to take the easy way out, instead of nurturing and growing the relatinship between the people, they just have them come out and express some feelings that havent been backed by action or situation. To me, it makes it seem more like a crush than true love.

Dont get me wrong, I dont have a problem with the characters expressing thier love before the game is over. In FFVIII it was done between Squall and Rhinoa, they expressed affection on the Ragnarok. However, the way it was done was the important thing. Through the game, they were given ample oppertunity to grow to love one another, it took a huge event to make Squall realize his true feelings; in essance, he didnt know what he had untill it was gone. The characters still told each other how they felt, but they also had a relationship that was built well and had an excellent story and background.

In conclusion, I believe that it IS possible to create a good love story and still have flat out expression expressed, but it is not easy. Obviously, the temptation is there to simply have the characters express this emotion and force-feed it to the gamer rather than crafting it and actually making us believe the characters felt that way. That is what I thought happened in FFX, Im glad it didnt happen in FFIX. I think that the game can actually be better without any flat out expression between the characters, it makes the story tell you how they feel about one another, they dont just spit out dialogue and expect you to believe it. FFIX was majestic in the way it could give you a feeling or personality, a story, without having to express it in words. It crafted actual background, while FFX just spewed the words at you and didnt create the feeling. So, while it is possible to create a story that would go both ways, I would much rather have the story slowly and believably told, over having it shoved down my throat in a few lines of cliche dialogue that have been in every low-budget movie for the past 50 years.

[Zidane363]

I would have to agree with everybody that said it....Garnet and Zidane shoulda said somewhere in the game "I love you." or kissed...but since today is 2 years later...that already happened and we may all thank a certain someone on this board here who made it possible ;)

Originally posted by Kurohime
Alrighty. This one actually isn't supposed to be funny...

It's something I've always, ALWAYS wanted to see. ^_^
And I'm pretty sure a lot of you wanted to see this, too.

http://www.quad9dyne.com/images/FF9_misc/ziddag_aww.jpg

:)

I love a happier romance ending ^_^ goes to show how much I love FFIX and for it's anazing romance it had in it ^_^

[Holy Judgement]

I very much enjoyed the way the romantic storyline in FFIX was developed. It was very realistic, right down to each of their inner flaws preventing them from finally just admitting their feelings for each other. The whole story felt more authentic because of it, unlike FFX where I thought it was just a childish lust. However, I was really hoping that by the very end they would have kissed or something once. It would have brought a little bit more closure for the ending if there had just been a simple kiss or an "I love you." Not to say that the current ending wasn't effective; just that it would have been more... complete, for lack of a better word, with a kiss.

[Sabrina]

I would have liked Zidane or Dagger to express their love a bit more, something like a KISS or saying "I LOVE YOU". That would have been great.

But, their love wasn't the main priority. The love story was certainly sweet, but to put too much emphasize on it wouldn't have made it FFIX.

"Promise me one thing...please come back"What Dagger said already showed that she loved him.

"Bring my beloved Dagger to me!"What Zidane said showed it to.

Well, I'm not making any sense, am I? What I'm trying to say is that their love was too evident. They didn't need to kiss to express it.

But, yeah, kissing at one point of the game would just have expressed it better. I was thinking why they didn't want to kiss. Maybe they did after the FMV ended...^_^ Okay, I'm being a pervert....:)

Well, kissing would have been great. But saying "I love you" would have been great too!:D

[Il Palazzo]

I think its time for FF to stop being rather victorian about the way it treats relationships- FFX was hardly childish- their relationship was built up nicely and carefully. As was 9s- but Xs was consumated (you know I probably shouldnt use that word. That actually means had sex, but hell). I dont think it would have been bad to have them kiss, or declare love for each other. I mean this sint bollywood! Actually, thatd be pretty cool. They lean in for a kiss, and then suddenly do a big dance. Wouldnt that rule?